Electric Mindset · Episode 10
The Human Is Still the Story
Mike Lee, co-founder of Graivy, on the expert trap: why deep experience can blind us to new possibilities, and how judgment still beats hype.
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Show notes
Mastering AI takes more than new tools. It takes a new way to learn and adapt. Dave Manley talks with Mike Lee about a real risk in fast-moving fields: expertise turning into tunnel vision.
Drawing on decades in fintech and food tech, Mike explains why transformation starts with curiosity and a willingness to get messy, not just technical skill. Whether you’re a junior developer or a seasoned expert, staying open to AI’s shift matters more than defending what you already know.
Chapters
- 0:00 Welcome to Electric Mindset
- 1:42 Introducing Mike Lee, co-founder of Graivy
- 2:39 The Magic School Bus and Tony Stark framework
- 4:12 Mike 1.0: building the foundation in banking
- 7:10 A wake-up call: mortality, retirement, and “what’s next
- 8:49 The pull toward founding Graivy
- 11:32 From fintech to food tech: finding the through line
- 13:52 Applied AI vs. the “AI expert” label
- 17:37 Legacy systems: old tech vs. new possibilities
- 21:13 The Tony Stark mindset shift (the Endgame scene)
- 27:41 The Einstelung effect and the expert trap
- 27:58 AI’s impact on software development
- 31:19 The role of experts in the AI era
- 34:34 Career advice: riding the bus at every career stage
- 36:58 Supercharge or Short Circuit
- 38:40 How to find Mike Lee and Graivy
